The SAD Truth About Yelp and Why Yelp Sucks Print E-mail
Sunday, 17 June 2007
I felt very much let down by a Yelp.com, a site that claims to have "Real Reviews...Real People". Maybe you've already guessed it. Maybe it's expected. I just found it sad. Yelp is biased. But just how biased is Yelp...?



Yelp - Real People, Real Reviews - EXCEPT THE BAD ONES.

It's just like the old saying goes...it's only fun until someone gets hurt. This time, it's personal. I wrote a review at yelp.com only to have them remove it because the company complained about my review.


My friends and I went out to hang out a Dave and Busters in Arcadia, CA on a Thursday night. My friends were upstairs hanging out at the bar when a fight between 2 different groups of gangsters broke out. A gunshot was heard and my friend, Jayson fiercely clutching his other friend, Dextor's wrist. Jayson said, "I got shot." but Dextor didn't believe him at first. The next thing we know, Jayson drops to floor and blood his shirt started turning a bright red. We later found out that there was only a single gunshot that wounded 2 people. The bullet first went through another person and then hit my friend in the left ribs and put a hole through both lungs, liver, and all other organs in his upper body except the heart. It finally laid to rest near his right armpit.

Anyway, after the shooting the crowd went crazy and the security guard at Dave & Busters did not know how to control the situation. Instead, they jumped on the loudspeaker and told everyone to leave and get out. They didn't bother stopping anybody and there was mass confusion everywhere. We saw the shooter running out the back-door and somebody even yelled it out but Dave and Buster's security did nothing. I think I remember some of them even RUNNING AWAY FROM THE SCENE themselves.

They also didn't bother to call the cops and kept telling me and my other friends that we couldn't go upstairs to see our injured friend and that everything was ok. In the end, the police arrived because WE called them ourselves.

The hospital was a complete mess in itself with all of us crying and worried sick that we might never see Jayson again. The police weren't surprised at the shooting. Apparently stuff was always happening on Thursday nights because that was "gangster night".


Dave and Busters just doesn't care about their patrons security. They hire young guards who aren't trained on anything but how to ask people to show their ID's at the front entrance. Their guards are often too busy talking and checking out the female customers than actually looking around for trouble-makers. If you've gone here enough, you'll know that trouble-maker types are ALWAYS sneaking in through the side entrances and emergency exits. Dave and Busters can't even secure all their restaurant entrances. Their security isn't trained to do anything and they just don't care about people's safety.

Yelp.com is just a total letdown. I thought this site really cared about people's reviews but I guess not. I wrote a review to save OTHER PEOPLE from the same thing happening. This isn't about bad food or bad service, it's life and death. Yelp.com just doesn't care; they're just another big-dollar advertising medium for making money and staying corrupt and biased. I'm not amazed, it's easy to be a sellout if you're getting paid big bucks. I just wonder how much money they're making to not care about people dying.


Spread the word. Dave and Busters and Yelp.com does not care about people's safety. Thank god my friend made it out alive. He spent 18 days in intensive care and now can't be left alone because he's still got tubes going through him. He's traumatized and is constantly afraid of getting shot. He spent those 18 days on the verge of dying and living day-by-day every single time. His bleeding couldn't be stopped until the 4th day and he picked up what the surgeons said was the worse thing possible - infections. Dave and Busters even sent lawyers to the hospital to try and defuse the situation and clear themselves of any blame but the police made it clear that they were the ones to blame and there was no way out of that. The lawyers didn't even bother to apologize for what happened.


If anybody wants to help my cause, please re-post my review below and bombard Yelp.com with it until they leave it up. Big companies need to pay for their mistakes; they CAN afford it.




Below are the emails passed back and forth between Yelp and myself:

Hi Dave,

I’m glad yelp and D&B is taking my review seriously. Perhaps, I can write a much longer 1ST PERSON account of what happened so that my review is not considered “hearsay”. I can also have all my friends that were standing right next to the gunman when the shooting happened and have them post on yelp as well.

I take your website very seriously as a creditable source of information and truth and would do everything I can to stay within your stated guidelines.

Would my suggestion above be sufficient?

Thanks and take care - Johnny


From: David @ Yelp [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:47 PM
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com
Cc: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
Subject: Message from Yelp.com HQ

Hi Johnny,

I'm writing to let you know that we have received complaints about your review for Dave and Busters in Arcadia, CA. Our Customer Service Team has investigated your review (copied below) and have decided to remove it because it has violated our Review Guidelines.

Specifically, the Review Guidelines state that:

...the Yelp team will remove a review (and will typically email the writer to let them know) when we are made aware of certain situations including: Second-hand experiences and hearsay. For example, you can't give a deli a bad review because your co-worker complained about his chicken salad. Your reviews must be about your personal experiences, not about what you may have heard.

We do not take the removal of reviews lightly, and are open to discussing this with you if you feel that we have missed something or have questions about our policy.



David

Yelp! Inc. User Support

San Francisco, California

Yelp! Frequently Asked Questions | http://www.yelp.com/faq

Yelp! for Business Owners | http://www.yelp.com/business




Your removed review:

[04/20/2007] Here's a good story. At 12am (4/20/2007), a bar brawl broke out upstairs between gangsters and thug-types at the Santa Anita Dave

& Busters restaurant/bar. In the crossfire, 2 males were shot. 1 was my friend and he was definitely innocent. The

security failed to lockdown and secure the place. Instead, the security kicked everyone out of the restaurant and

would not let anyone go upstairs, not even the freinds of the shot persons. Dave & Busters security LIED when they

said they had the place under control and the cops didn't come until the panicked patrons called the cops themselves.

The police arrived long after the gunmen and were even surprised to hear that D&B security did the WRONG thing by

letting everyone go (including the gunman). As everyone was running out, some people even yelled out that the gunman

was running out the backdoor or alternative exit but D&B security still did nothing. It's a shame that their security

can't do nothing more than check ID cards at the entrance and give young-looking 21-year olds a hard time.

My friend is now in the hospital in critical condition bleeding to death while doctors rush to save his life and stop

the massive internal bleeding and the police have no suspects. Who is to blame? And why is my innocent friend in the hospital fighting for his life?

*WARNING*: Do not go there on THURSDAY nights. The cops have confirmed that thursday night is commonly known as "gangster night" and other violent attacks and instances have been known to always happen on thursday. You have been warned.

The update on my friend: He is still in critical condition, the bullet went through his rib and tore holes in all his organs and went up to his chest. The top surgeons in the county that specialize in gunshot trauma are currently working to patch a hole in his liver and save his life.... take care of yourself, people. This stuff could happen to anyone


Comments (36) >>
yelp censorship
written by J R, July 07, 2007

they are censoring reviews left and right. They just deleted over a dozen for one business, upping its rating from 1.5 stars to 4.5 stars overnight. And while they claim its second hand reviews they delete, many of them were first hand, and obvious second hand or shill reviews of the same businesses are left standing.

Meanwhile, in the talk threads, if you complain about the way things are run, those threads are also deleted. And when you question their management, you get banned from the site.

So in frustration, I've just created http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/yelpsucks/ for folks who have been banned, censors, or threatened by yelp can talk about it without the fear of the yelp censors deleting everything.

who owns www.yelpsucks.com ? Yelp, of course!
written by Joe McCarthy, August 14, 2007

I thought it would be useful to create a truthful site to show the yelp bias, so of course, I looked into getting the domain www.yelpsucks.com. It was already registered to Yelp ! Hah, what kind of legit, unbias company needs to reserve the companySUCKS.com domain? I guess it makes sense. Sort of like taking the fifth. Yelp does suck-

Isn't it extortion to post bad reviews all over about a company, but if they pay you to "advertise", they magically make the bad reviews disappear to the last page? Good business model. I'd be suprised if in 2 years, yelp is anything more than a place for all the oscar the grouches in the world to take out their misery on someone- if it's even around.

Yelp is simpy paid advertizing!
written by null, June 17, 2008

Nothing more...

Yelp Is Legal Extortion
written by April N, October 16, 2008

Yelp is an extortion game that forces small business owners to pay to have a say in the real and false reviews on their web page. If you don't pay they will remove positive reviews and add more negative and to be sure if you do not pay they wull put a negative review at the top of your page.

Stoppelman and Simmons do what ever it takes to get the account.

Then they call business owner to ask if they would like help with cleaning up their yelp page.
The owner pays 250.00 or more a month to get the false revies removed or moved to the bottom of the page, but they keep paying every month. What a scam. I wish I had come up with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7WLrMFtCNo


YELP ripoff
written by null, December 26, 2008

the report on the ripoffreport about yelp was done by a Ex yelper not a business owner.
Im glad b/c now forever the truth is permantly know as being a ripoff. ^_^

Philly yelp! SUCKS
written by gaetano, March 05, 2009

The biggest jackasses get encouragement from the simplest juveys


http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/yelp-philly.html

Super bad juju for yelp.com
written by Robyn Marie's Shoe Closet, March 19, 2009

I basically feel totally raped by Yelp.com, for the past 6 months every good review (over a dozen by now) has been removed from our profile and only two reviews, a 1 star and a 3 star, seem to be "legitimate" enough for them to keep on. After jumping through a million hoops to try and find an actual e-mail address to write to about this, I got a creepily arrogant reply message that read, "If the reviewer isn't involved with Yelp, it's awfully hard for our software to have much confidence in the reviewer and so it may not display that review." So what does that mean? That only people who pay for ads or work for yelp can get their reviews shown? What exactly does it mean to be "invovled" with yelp anyway? I thought this site was supposed to be about real reviews from real people, not just people tight in some kind of yelp cult. I still don't get it, other than the fact that it sounds totally elitist. I am basically at a loss. The only good side is that it seems like most people are catching on to the absolute fact that yelp.com is a joke and can't be trusted.

re: Super bad juju for yelp.com
written by Kent, April 01, 2009

I totally relate to what you've written. But I'm not even a business owner. I'm just a person who joined yelp because I thought it would be great to contribute my reviews. I'd been referring to their reviews to find places in San Francisco since I'm new to the city. But, WOW, has dealing with Yelp ever been a slap in the face!! The reviews I wrote mysteriously appeared and disappeared, or would sometimes descend low on the list - out of chronological order. These were concise, well-written first-hand reviews - not rants or off-handed comments. It was so insulting to be treated this way, when I spent time and effort seeking to share my sincere perspectives with others. I got the same creepy response from Yelp, about being "involved with" Yelp... What the heck was I supposed to do to have them recognize my 'involvement'? I canceled my account with them today, and now see them for the shill forum that they are.

Yelp deleted my review
written by null, April 30, 2009

I left a 1 star review for a dog-walking business on Yelp and the business owner contacted me and asked me to change my review and when I said I wouldn't my review disappeared! My review was a 1st person account of how I went home sick one day and the dog walker never showed up, and no one ever called to tell us they weren't coming by and they still collected the payment for that day.

I am assuming the business owner contacted Yelp to complain and they offered to delete the review for her? I even created another Yelp account to leave the review and that one wouldn't post to her page either. I guss she paid Yelp to have her account set up so she can't get 1-star reviews?

What a joke!!

Pompous & Narcissistic "Reviewers"
written by Bal T'san Chin, September 10, 2009

I am really starting to despise Yelp.
The worst things they could have done....they did:

1) Allowing people to add others as "Friends".
2) Instituting an "Elite" class of users.

The above two has led to a cliquish society, wherein people are no longer
submitting reviews for the sake of providing useful information, but to appear
clever and cute to their "Inner Circle".
If Yelp membership were a "lone wolf" society, a little in the way of individual
thinking might be present.

"Review of the Day" (ROTD) : What a coincidence it is that the best written,
and most informative review is usually penned by a leggy, good looking Asian lady (just sayin').

Restaurant Review Drinking Game: Take a shot each time someone:

* Chimes on and on about what is and isn't "Authentic (insert country here) Food".
Who *cares*?! -- Did it TASTE good?
These grousers will slam say, Mexican food that is "Americanized", but if you
call it "Mexican - West Coast Fusion", then *that* is OK.

* Whiny wimps lamenting how their delicate and sophisticated palates were
left disappointed because their precious "Fro-Yo" was found lacking
(these people always like *the* worst toppings as well).
Wow, those starving people in Africa got nothing on the hardships you face.

* A mention of "Fresh Ingredients" is thrown in.

"Today in Talk" : Heaven forbid anyone seek any real advice here, because this section
is where the Rabid Mob...err...I mean "Elitists" really come into their own.
Here, they can exchange in their preferred form of journalism: "The Rapid-Fire Snark-fest"!
The one appearing the most callous and using the most "F-words" ummm..."Wins".

"Elitists" in General : Unless there is some unknown correlation between concise, clear, objective thinking and communication and Drunken Fratboys and Hot Spoiled Girls, then take their reviews for what they are: Young People Showing Off For One Another.


Tacky Yelp Clothing
written by Bal T'san Chin, September 10, 2009

Who the heck would wear this stuff anyway?
http://www.yelp.com/store

They couldn't even spring to get decent models.
They look like "Models for the Blind".

The caption for the "Make Me Yelp Hot Shorts" should instead read : "I have no ass whatsoever".

Yelp Elite Members
written by DJ , September 25, 2009

Yelp Elite Members in Boston are given a free pass in the Talk Section to insult non-Elite Members and make untrue accusations about businesses. The pattern goes something like this:

1. An Elite Member starts a thread filled with inaccurate, offensive and inflammatory remarks

2. You Flag it as "inappropriate" and offer a more sobering, non-confrontational point of view

3. A Lord of the Flies mentality among other "Elites" ensue and they jump all over you for daring to challenge them

4. Your Flagging of the original comment is to no avail as it never gets addressed

5. Frustrated, you start a new thread on recommendations pertaining to quality control and terms of use with the site

6. Shockingly, your account gets deleted

This is a true story, repeated many times over to many, many frustrated newbies to Yelp. The company only cares about carefully editing reviews to suit the business interest of their paying customers. Any honest or objective review (read: negative) will be quickly deleted.

Someone should forward this one of the major news outlets. Small businesses owners in this climate are getting extorted by Yelp and Elite Yelp Members are given a free pass to make derogatory remarks.



Yelp Sucks BIG TIME!
written by Yelp Sucks!, January 29, 2010

I've had the same experience w/Yelp as the business owner above. Since I've decided against advertising w/them (read: REPEATED phone calls from Yelp reps), somehow the positive ones my clients have left for me are NOT PUBLISHED ANYMORE. We were getting so many hits and good reviews and all of sudden, BAM! No more. The last 2 are a 1 stars. Are they serious?? Their b.s. robotic excuse about filters and what not is just that.. a load of b.s. YELP SUCKS and HURTS BUSINESS OWNERS!!!!!!

...
written by null, February 15, 2010

If you see a student trying to act gangster in highschool, kick his ass. Cover it in racism if you want them to get trolled and worked up. Man, those young morons loves to get mad. Rap listeners sucks.

Tags for morons.
written by Yelp does indeed Sucks!, February 15, 2010

It appears that user within yelp can now put tags on other reviews. How sad, now we have idiots rating on review. What's more sad that any more of this feature will reduce the yelpers brain into hogturds. What ever happen to READING reviews? What's next, numerical scoring? Yelp is indeed a big-dollar advertisment. Here's one/two of the reason why? It's part of the "social networking" and "web2.0" thing. Which includes myspace, facebook, twitter, and other crap that is an absolute medium for morons from the real world to get on the internet(When will they leave us alone?). Another reason is that on delicious bookmarking service, it's labeled as "web 2.0". Anything labeled "web 2.0" from delicious is a sure sign that the site sucks to us that use our brain.

Yelp is biased
written by Yelp Never Again, February 19, 2010

I wrote one bad review on yelp and it was removed by? why?. It was a first hand account with no swearing etc. The vendors (businesses) probably pay to advertise and can and do have a say in what is published. My Yahoo review (same content is still there). I will never click on a yelp site again! Thank you.

Wow!!!
written by Sekar, March 17, 2010


Wow!!! I thought Yelp is a legitimate website. This is one of many article that I read about Yelp!

Review site should allow and encourage honest opinion about a service and they should be monitored just to make sure there is no inappropriate words which may offend someone.

I actually created a review website www.greenbor.com for local people and this is a good lesson for me - thanks to whoever wrote this article.


Here's a funny one!
written by Bal T'san Chin, April 03, 2010

Just saw a funny "review" by a Yelp "Elitist".
She and her "BF" went to a restaurant, and altho she expressed great satisfaction
on the food she was served, gave it only a 1-Star rating?

Why?

Because she felt slighted by the service at the bistro.

Her rationale?

"Couldn't they see the Gucci bag I was carrying and our $300 jeans?!"

One of the strong negatives about the Internet is that it tends to give any
creep out there the impression that they are some sort of "Celebrity" just because
they wrote something or put up a pic of themselves.

Miami Yelp Maria Arguello SUCKS
written by Anonymous, June 09, 2010

Maria Argüello runs Miami Yelp and is quite possibly the worst CM EVER. She has not authority, is not respected and apparently has no friends outside of Elite Yelp. Its very sad. She protects and defends the Yelp Elite while they harass, bully new yelpers. Gustave Llamas is the biggest cuplprit. He is a woman hater and send aggresive emails to new yelper females. His wife Carla LLamas is also crazy. Theses people have no lives. Michelle Columbo is another one. An old tanorexic victim. These people have no lives, no friends outside of yelp. Its really sad. These elites run around town, ordering food and threatening restaurants with a bad review unless they are comped. Its really despicable. But since Miami is a use-use State, Maria keeps them around so she can benefit from them with services, etc. Its really bad. She is incompetent, A bad CM, doesnt know how to control a forum, and has absolutely no background in Websites, Forums etc. She is not respected eve.



agree and disagree
written by glory, July 31, 2010

Okay I agree with some of this, I am an elite yelp member, I am a real person, I do write negative and positive reviews. Just so you know, if you only write one review and it is negative, you don't have a picture or info about yourself, it will prolly get deleted.
I agree with the clique forming habits and the snarky remarks being thrown around on yelp. It is rather like a herd of sheep. With a bunch of spoiled losers that can't function with real friends so they do most of their activities on the computer. BUT there are a handful of really great people on there too. You can eigther write a review, read reviews or forget it exsists. Or sound like a bunch of elite yelpers your selves and whine and complain about it on a blog! It's just a web site, many people enjoy it, don't let it ruin your day that you don't like it.
As for the origin of this post, why be mad at yelp? Take your writing and complain to the local newspaper report your heart out to those that will listen about D and B, the local media, the police, lawyers. But really yelp? Forget it, move on.


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Even positive reviews are ignored!
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Whatever algorithm yelp is allegedly running is a bit crap, in my experience. My friends and I have all written very _positive_ reviews of the gym that we go to, and not one of them made it to the home page. They ended up in the "filtered reviews" purgatory. The result is that a bunch of people who either didn't like the gym when they walked in or quit showing up are now the "trusted experts" on the place. So I agree that you HAVE to read the FILTERED reviews if you want to know what's going on. BTW, why is Yelp _hiding_ these reviews? How about just mark them as questionable and let the person who is ACTUALLY READING THE REVIEW decide if it's legit. We already know it's not written by a robot, for god's sake, so let people do their own filtering using that other powerful algorithmic machine - THEIR OWN BRAIN.

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